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Interview with 'the Folks,' Part Five
Interview, Part One
~ Part Two ~ Part
Three ~ Part Four
Channelers note: For continuity
and understanding... if you haven't already, please first read
part one, part
two, part three and part four of this interview and
especially the Channelers' note
at the top of part one. In addition to what is stated in
our note there, we'd like to mention again that while they are
two essences speaking as one, 'the Folks' refer to themselves
individually as 'Spirit' and 'the Mother.'
The American Election
Channelers: As a reminder for readers, when
'the Folks' are referring only to themselves we capitalize 'We,'
Us,' and 'Our.' When they refer to themselves and Humans together,
these terms are not capitalized.
Folks, we've been feeling triggered about
the upcoming American elections this year (2008). What can you
tell us about the transpersonal imprints that are being triggered
in us?
"For most humans, government in any guise
has been an intimidating form. Even when you have been on the
side the government has favored, you have experienced distrust
of it as a form that has had power over you. There is deep denial
of Will in any form that moves to control behaviors.
"The American elections this year, as
in many other countries recently, have brought the inner battle
between deep parts of Self more prominently into the world. This
is valuable to the healing work because certain parts of your
deep selves that have been in internal conflict are now projected
out onto the world stage in the dramas of elections.
"This battle has been raging at the deepest
layer of Being since before Earth was manifested. When We the
Creators were completely gapped with no communication between
Us, the beings that We had created took sides with either one
or the other of Us.
"A very deep terror of being overrun
and consumed by the Mother and her intense emotional responses
pervaded the Spirit Polarity. In reaction to this terror in Spirit,
a whole new class of beings emerged who called themselves 'Father Warriors.'
The terror these beings felt told them that they must control
the Will in order to protect Spirit from the Mother, and moved
to do so in opposition to the Mother and the Will Polarity beings
they perceived as causing their terror.
"The very fact that there has been a
battle, not to mention the tactics of deceit and denial used
by the Father Warriors, has triggered deep terror and revulsion
in the Mother. This battle has been reenacted many, many times
in manifestation... and each time love has been the loser. Even
the 'Mother Warriors' who arose to protect the Mother from the
Father Warriors have been using hatred and denial energy to further
their cause.
"This ancient transpersonal hatred and
strife, this never-ending war, has felt good to a great many
humans who have made it their own at the personal level. There
are still many on Earth who love a good fight, and there is still
enormous energy to prolong the ancient battle of the Father Warriors
against the Will. Almost all of the strife in your civilization
has been in reaction to the unconscious, frozen terror of the
lost Will in your lower chakras.
"The 'world economy' is another example
of an intimidating form in your civilization where fear is triggered
to help fortify the position of those who 'own' things. The perceived
need and very premise for civilization is to protect those who
have ownership of material abundance from those who don't. And
this too has been a reenactment of the ancient battle the Father
Warriors have been waging against the Will.
"You have been feeling terror and revulsion
in your politics recently because this lost Will in humanity
is being triggered more than usual. Still operating is the ancient
strategy of the Father Warriors to trigger fear in the population
and then show that only they have the power to protect the population.
This strategy was used when they first came to Earth and is being
used now to see that their human surrogates win the current election.
Any effort to go up against this will only trigger more denied
terror, and the Father Warriors will simply use it to show everyone
why they should stay in power."
Thank you Folks, what do you suggest we do
here by way of healing?
"First, find the frozen terror in yourselves
that has been triggered by the world stage events, and bring
the light of loving acceptance to your own lost Will. You can
do this more easily when you remember that you are truly safe
and that the world stage events are happening for the purpose
of triggering this frozen terror so that full loving acceptance
and healing can finally come to it.
"As your Will essence begins to vibrate
with your acceptance, you also have a good opportunity to take
your projections off of the economic leaders and politicians
on the world stage. You can now own them as parts of yourselves,
which they truly are. The Father Warriors and their strategies
of denial are alive within your deep Being. Bring the ancient
war home to the only place it can be healed, inside of you. You
will be pleasantly surprised by the powerful results of owning
and healing the perpetrators within yourself.
"The outer political beliefs that seem
opposite of yours are being held inside of you by parts of yourself
that you have been unconscious of, parts that are still in your
shadow. These are fragments of spirit that can lead you to the
lost Will they have been controlling. The key to doing this is
in your willingness to own the perpetrators
you've been seeing outside of yourself as the reflections of
bona fide parts of your whole Being."
Thank you Folks, what else can we do to heal
this gap between loving Light and lost Will?
"You can find the qualities that you
abhor in the politicians and business leaders you don't agree
with, and then find the parts of yourselves that have had these
qualities. You must of course be honest with yourself, and judgment release is vital here.
"Please remember that you have been innocent
all along. There has been much unconsciousness, and yet evolution
happens. All that has been unconscious is destined to become
conscious. The main issue now is that your Human identity has
been squeezed into a
very small container by the conditioning of the civilization
that has sought to control you. The time has now come for this
conditioning to move... your full, undenied greatness is needed
for the healing at hand."
The Truth That is Deeper Than Judgment
Thank you Folks, near the end
of Part Four of this interview you said something similar,
that as humans we are responsible for all that has happened in
Creation. At first glance it could seem that this means humans
are somehow at fault for all the evil that is present on Earth
now. Would you please say more about this?
"First, as We mentioned in that part,
it's important to make the distinction between 'responsibility'
and blame or fault. As what has been hidden within you comes
into the light of your loving consciousness, you can see more
clearly that there really is no valid reason for either blame
or fault.
"As Spirit
has said, everyone has always been doing the best they could
with what they were working with at the time. The only guilt
or blame that exists is that which has been held in place by
the judgments in imprints. Since
none of those judgments are true, neither is the guilt or blame.
"The judgments are either directly released
or they spontaneously release as part of the imprints' healing
in the clear truth of loving Light. Love is what is true, judgments
and denial are not, and neither is the guilt or blame they hold
present in feelings.
"Although it may seem strange to the
Human mind, it is true that everything that has happened in this
Universe has happened the only way it could have. In other words,
everything has happened just as it was supposed to. This is important
to know because in order to succeed as the Healer
you will simply have to trust that the Universe has been good
and operating correctly at all times."
The Universe is Good and Operating
Correctly at All Times
"Obviously, there has been a tremendous
amount of evil and perpetration in the Universe. And not so obviously
there has been an evolving movement to heal the imprints and
their reenactments that the evil and perpetration have been part
of.
"The reenacting of ancient, transpersonal
imprints has been part of a good Universe operating correctly,
moving from pain and fragmentation toward healing and wholeness.
Now that more Humans have become aware of the issues and have
more and more willingness to heal these imprints, real healing
has begun in many of these imprints... both in the human healers
themselves and in Creation as a whole.
"In understanding responsibility, it's
important to know that you can be responsible only when you decide
to take responsibility. And you can heal only what you take responsibility
to heal. Otherwise, the healing of these ancient imprints is
left to someone else. And if there is someone else who is more
responsible than you... then you would be a fragment of that
larger whole, and therefore not the Healer.
"Wholeness of Being is your birthright
as a Human. However, by its very nature, it is not something
that can be given to you. Your wholeness and your healing are
yours for the having, and you can have them when you take full
and loving responsibility for all of the evil and perpetration
in Creation... as well as for all of the goodness and beauty."
You Are the Universe
"To get a feel for this movement, pause
for a moment now... and imagine something good in Creation. When
you have chosen something... observe it carefully and then say
to yourself, 'I did that.' The 'I' who was speaking was speaking
for the deepest part of your identity. You were speaking for
Us, the Creators in you.
"Now take another momentary pause and
imagine something that's evil in Creation. When you've thought
of something, take a deep breath... observe it carefully and
then say to yourself, 'I did that.' Again, you spoke the truth
of the deepest part of your identity. This is where true Human
greatness rests, in your ultimate identity as the Universe itself...
all of it, including all that has felt 'good' and all that has
felt 'evil.'
"Now here is a vitally important point.
The new awareness of your deepest Self as perpetrator can lead
you to one of two places... the 'courtroom' or the 'classroom.'
In the courtroom you will find guilt for yourself as the perpetrator,
and because that guilt is fundamentally untrue, justice will
be elusive. This is because the courtroom is about accusations,
judgments, guilt, blame, and suffering. In the classroom however,
there is opportunity to learn, evolve... and heal.
"If there are judgments to release, feel
the 'bad' feeling and release the
judgments. Then immediately feel back into the feeling without
judgment and come into loving acceptance of the feeling energy
as a rightful part of your wholeness.
"If deep denial energy is in the evil
you sense in yourself, release
that as well. Then feel back into the feeling essence that
had to hold the denial for so long, and own that feeling energy
too as a rightful part of your whole Being. And of course you
can also release the denial energy in a feeling by vibrating
the feeling with your pure, loving acceptance until the denial
energy can no longer stay present.
"If you are fully identified in the feeling
essence you can move your body and sound the feeling to express
it. Dance and song work well together to embody the feeling and
bring it fully into manifestation. The denial energy in the feeling
will then spontaneous release as the feeling's expression moves
from tortured compression to full-bodied joy and mirth.
"As Humans begin to truly heal their
Wills, your loving conscious awareness will find the right ways
to release the denial energy that has made you unsafe to be with
the Mother. Spirit has spoken more about this whole process of
owning the perpetrator in Redeeming
the Devils.
"As you awaken to your true greatness,
you become responsible for what had always been left to someone
else. You, the Healer are not to blame for the perpetration you
now take responsibility for healing. And again, in doing this
work, the courtroom is not an appropriate venue. However, the
classroom is.
"Although the ancient conditioning has
been deeply entrenched, it can be overcome with determined perseverance
and consistent self-love. Otherwise you will find yourself once
again in the old default place... the courtroom, where the imprints
keep reenacting and you continue to experience reversals in your
life.
"Instead, use the opportunity of your
new awareness to intentionally foster your learning and healing.
With your attention and willingness focused on evolving and healing,
you will be able to move more quickly to claim your birthright...
a whole and vibrant Will and her whole Spirit, loving Spirit...
embodied in loving union with enough vital magnetic Mother energy
to draw into manifestation whatever you truly desire."
Cosmic Human Identity
Thank you Folks, it seems like a good idea
to keep ourselves in constant self-forgiveness when we venture
deeply into the universal shadow. What you've said also seems
to again raise the issue of identity. You suggest that Human
identity is really a cosmic identity. How can this be?
"The sense of your constant, unchanging
identity is important to keeping you oriented as the person you
feel yourself to be. The same person who goes to sleep at night
wakes in the morning. However, this sense of being a separate
person who has a life and a personal history is not all of who
you are.
"Your true Human identity is with life
itself. Although it may seem strange to hear, it is accurate
to say that very few Humans have actually lived. Except
for brief moments here and there, almost all Humans over age
five have been too frightened to venture outside of the models
of reality and the identity that your mind has constructed for
you.
"You have believed yourselves to be small
and unimportant in the grand scheme of things. And this will
remain true for you so long as you continue to unconsciously
honor the perspectives and beliefs that the conditioning in your
mind has held you to.
"Your true identity is so much more than
you've thought yourself to be. As
We have said, Humans are amazingly vast Beings with potentials
well beyond your present ability to imagine. You have all of
the parts of Deity within you, and if you choose, you may identify
as any of these parts, or as all of Deity combined... the whole
Universe and its Creators. Of course you must first leave behind
the erroneous old beliefs from your conditioning and the disempowering
self-hatred they have engendered.
"Spirit
has pointed out that there is a specific identity in Deity
that will serve you well as the Healer of yourself... and therefore
of all Creation. There is one identity that straddles both the
first and second attention,
and it is the essence of your humanness as well.
"Your true Human greatness is not in
yourself as Spirit, or as Mother, or as Heart. Your true greatness
is in yourself as Body. Spirit has said that your
identity is flexible, that your identity is as you choose
it to be in the moment, and that when you choose to identify
as Body, you are placing yourself in the position of the Healer
of yourself... and therefore of Creation.
"This choice of identity is only possible
if you are not identifying inside the mind with its maps of pasts
and futures and stories about who you are and who you've been.
For instance, your sense of 'I' living 'my life' is an example
of an unreal, mentally constructed identity. What you've known
as your 'life' is essentially a story your mind has made up about
yourself as a separate fragment of a larger whole, 'the world.'
And this is all that your mind can know about you... a story
about the identity of the main character in the movie
of your life. The mind cannot know your real, true Self.
"There is much, much more to your humanness
than in your made-up identity as the person who lives your life.
Your true identity is vast and well beyond your personal story
of separation, struggle, triumph, elation, defeat, pain and a
faint, distant longing for something you can't quite touch.
"What the mind-made identity that has
been masquerading as you cannot know is the true nature of reality,
just as it is in the present moment. While you
have been asleep and lost in the mind's models of reality
with stories of past and future, while you have been living in
a dream-like story that you have come to know as 'your life,'
your true Identity has been patiently waiting for you, always
here in the eternal present moment, just outside of mind.
"However, this does not mean that your
personal, mental identity is completely unreal. Your old, familiar
self is real in that it is a part of your larger identity. It's
just that this 'self' you've known is not all of who you are.
The small, accustomed ego-based personal self you've called 'me'
is only the tip of a very large iceberg... the vast, universal
Self you truly are.
"As
Grandfather has said, the true Human identity is timeless,
eternal. As a present and fully whole Human Being, you are what
brings Divinity into manifestation, you are the manifesting part
of Deity, you are Body.
"Trust yourself as Body. When identified
as Body you can quickly rescue the old conditioned 'you' from
the traps of the mind's conditioning and into full presence in
true, loving, unconditioned reality. Whenever you want to know
how to find the present moment, touch your body. And then as
Body, feel into the quality of the touch. Until you go back into
thought, you are here now in the one, eternal present moment.
And of course you can do this practice anytime you like."
Thank you, Folks. You mentioned that of all
of the parts of Deity, Body exists in two different ways, in
both the first attention and second
attention. Please say more about this?
"In what is called the first attention,
you are Body as the physical form that was conceived by your
parents, born on your birthday and has ever since been growing
and evolving as a part of manifestation. And in the second attention,
at a deeper layer of Self you are the cosmic Being that is both
what manifests the Universe and is the Universe.
"Words can only be pointers here, useful
as metaphors but not as containers of truth. The reality of your
true identity that We are pointing to is beyond what words can
speak or the mind can grasp. To the mind this may likely seem
to be a paradox. That is because what We are saying must be felt
to be understood. And as We mentioned earlier, it is only in
the way something feels that you can truly know it."
Okay Folks, thank you very much.
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